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But since its NOT “authentic masculinity”, something we both agree on, why do they need to use the word “masculinity” at all when its, as you basically admit, a misnomer? I already mentioned perfectly legitimate terms like “machismo” that are perfectly capable of getting the point across. They aren’t using the word “authentic” of course and I never thought they were. That’s why the word TOXIC is there – to differentiate it from just normal masculinity.” “Nobody’s saying “toxic masculinity” is authentic masculinity. We already have better terms with a longer pedigree. Jerkish behavior shouldn’t be tied to masculinity or femininity. And it *shouldn’t* be a thing anymore than “toxic masculinity” should be.
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Why do that? Why does jerkish behavior have to be described as ANY kind of masculinity? Toxic or otherwise? Few people outside of the men’s rights movement or fem shaming “masc” gay/bi men think that “toxic femininity” should be a thing, few outside of those groups would even dare suggest it. The biggest problem that I have with it is how it ties this “toxicity” to masculinity. Toxic water and bad bacon are still water and bacon, but “toxic masculinity” isn’t masculinity at all, as you admit, Lookyloo.
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You are comparing tangible consumables with something that is an attitude, a mode of being.
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They are just water and bacon with bad things mixed inside. Toxic water and bad bacon are *still* water and bacon. Why not stick to the basics instead of inventing a new problematic term? Terms like “machismo” are older, have been in use for far longer and are quite competent at getting the point across. I actually do have basic comprehension skills. I don’t think it means “all men are a certain way, etc”. (And the problem is with a society that largely enshrines the toxic variant and perpeturates it, and by extension seeks to provide cover for it by misinforming people about feminism and pitting them against it to preserve a shitty status and imperator That’s what the term means- not that “men are all necessarily this way and it’s *because* they’re men”- and if you resist its use because you misunderstand that, the problem isn’t with the term, it’s with your misunderstanding. By violence, by bigotry, by the idea that the only appropriate way to express manhood is through domination, which renders everyone a target for hegemonic abuse and renders every emotion other than raging ego to be ‘womanly’ and ‘weak.’ “Toxic masculinity” means there is a strain- a version of the ‘product’- that IS tainted. “Toxic masculinity” doesn’t *mean* “all masculinity is violent, bigoted, emotionally stunted, demeaning to ‘others,’ etc ” if you believe that it’s because you’ve gotten bad information from people who are stupid (or who are lying for the prupose of providing cover *for* toxic assholes). If you think “toxic masculinity” shouldn’t be a term because- uhh- “real masculinity isn’t toxic,” then you must get really confused when people say, for instance, “don’t eat that bacon, it’s gone bad.” “Bacon is good, so it can’t be bad!” Cue food poisoning. The horniest jezebels do it all in hopes of satiating their uncontrollable urges to have hardcore straight, Bi, and lesbian encounters.? FFS.
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